Happy Halloween!

Halloween Carnival Gone WRONG!

Got this picture outside our hotel room after we got back from the carnival.

Ah, it is Halloween time and the kids are excited!  Over the weekend Bailey and I saw an advertisement for the Tempe Halloween Carnival.  We thought it would be fun to take the children.  Bailey also has a half brother and sister who are 3 and 5 respectively.  I agreed to go to way east Mesa and pick up her siblings, then drive to the carnival in the other direction, go to the carnival, and then drive them back.  It was about a 40 minute drive EACH direction.  I ended up using half a tank of gas.  That is a LOT!

The trip went wrong pretty much from the start.  James has been SO sick.  He was feeling better though and I thought he might enjoy getting out.  I knew Margaret would not mind.  Joseph is always up for pretty much anything.  We drive across town and I knew it was going to be bad when I had to fuss at the kids several times to behave in the back.  We get to Bailey's siblings house and we get the three year old, Jacob, and the five year old, Abby.  As soon as the car got going Jacob started crying.  Bailey calls back to her Mom and asks if he got a nap.  No!   The answer was no!

We left anyways but the WHOLE 40 minutes I was driving Jacob was crying and that set off Joseph and Margaret.  I was SO loud Bailey was telling them to be quiet.  I told her to ignore them because it was a long ride and there were so many children.  We get to the carnival and it was PACKED! We had two strollers.  One for Joseph and the other for Jacob.  I had Margaret and James on their backpack leashes while Abby was exceptionally good and could just follow orders.

We walked down to the fairgrounds.  It was neat.  Each booth was run by a local charity for fundraising.  Bailey bought tickets with her own money.  That was VERY nice of her.  We walked around for a bit looking at what was there and the kids decided they wanted to go to the moonbounce.  So we went over.  Keep in mind Jacob for the most part was still crying...lol.

At the moonbounce Abby, James and Margaret wanted to bounce.  Bailey said that was fine.  I stayed with Jacob and tried to entertain him and Joseph.  I fed Jacob candy to keep him quiet.  Joseph wanted to get down so I let him but he was trying to crawl since the ground was grass and uneven.  The kids had to wait their turn in the bounce house so while waiting Bailey lost track of Margaret.  We, thankfully, quickly found her.  She went into a bounce house for older children.  I sent her back to Bailey.  All the kids went into the bounce house and they had their turn.  Abby did great.  She got out.  Margaret got out but then screamed and threw herself on the ground because she did not want to leave and James cried because he did not want to leave either.  So we had Abby acting SO nicely, Margaret screaming lightly, James crying, Joseph crying because of everyone else and Jacob crying.  Bailey and I were NOT having fun!  To cut a long story short I convinced Bailey to sell her tickets to someone else so we could get out of there.  On the car ride to drop off the siblings and then go home there was SO much crying and screaming.  It reminded me of my drive from Las Vegas to Phoenix.  I HATE driving in a car full of screaming kids!

Click here to find out why... HERE

Pavlov's Dog

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That is what I am.  I am like Pavlov's dog.  I have been SO tired lately from getting to bed at 10pm and getting up at 4am that as soon as I turn the box fan on to try and put the children to sleep I fall asleep too....LOL.   All the children been SO sick lately.  Poor James seems to have been especially hit hard.  He had the WORSE hacking cough.  I do not have insurance locally so we have been trying to make it.  The problem is that I try and get the children down to sleep and I turn on that box fan.  The white noise makes me drift right off to sleep.  I am still tired now but I am trying hard to stay awake for a bit.


I had a meeting that had been scheduled at my work today so I went.  I was not going to inconvenience everyone else because it was suppose to be my day off plus I wanted to meet the people I would be working with on my project.  I went to that meeting. I drove back to Gilbert because an hour later I was going to tour a school for visually impaired children.  It is someplace that Joseph might be able to attend next year.  I think I have all ready made the decision to keep him out of school this year.  The special education preschool program in the Gilbert School District is ridiculous   It is only TWO hours a day Monday through Thursday.  The risk of Joseph getting sick from going to school only two hours a day does not outweigh any rewards he would get out of the program.

After I toured the school I was driving back to to the hotel and I saw a For Rent sign so I stopped and called about the house.  It is in the Chandler school district and seems like a nice place but the rent was $1250 per month and too high for my budget.

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Next I stopped and got dinner for myself, Bailey and the children and headed back to the hotel.  I was, and still am, exhausted!  I have all sorts of news like how John decided to change the amount of child support he was sending me without warning, what is going on with the house, Bailey, moving, and many more topics but for now I hear the call of the fan.  It tells me to sleep. I should have time tomorrow to write and not fall asleep   Need to find a way to blog on my lunch hour.  That would be a lot easier...lol.

SO tired....

I want to write but I am SO tired!  Getting up at 4am is rough.  I like the commute though because the traffic is lighter (still a lot of people out).  By 9pm (now) I am SO sleepy!  I am sorry but I have to get to bed.  Night people.  I will write tomorrow or at least try hard.  I promise!

Why Can't You Make a Phone Call?

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Friday night comes and John did not call.  He could not call at 8:00pm and tell his children, James really, hi and good night.  James was SO upset.  He cried and said he wanted to go back to LasVegas to daddy's Blocker house (James calls a home by the street the house is located).  I had to tell him no and say that we are   in Phoenix now.  We have to live here.  He cried even harder.  He misses his daddy so badly.  James is torn up over it.



Bailey is great for them since she takes them out and runs them around.   That helps to keep James busy. Saturday we ran around.  We went to look for Halloween costumes for the children at Goodwill.  Then we went to Bailey's grandfather's work.  They were having a "yard sale" to raise money for breast cancer awareness. Then I took the children to the Waffle House because it made them happy.  Then we went to do laundry.  The laundromat at the hotel is busted and will be for a few weeks.  The landry was nice BUT the one of the washing machines ruined my clothes and Bailey's too.  It was BAD.  It looks like dye or something.  Makes me mad since it ruined a pair of my pants for work.  I have VERY little clothes at the moment because I cannot find anything.  Once everything was cleaned we went back to the hotel.  I got all the clothes put away and then Bailey and I got the kids ready and went out to the pool.  We all went swimming.  It was a long day but nice.

John called Sunday night.  James was happy to hear from him.  John wanted to talk to me.  That was unusual.  He hasn't really wanted to talk to me before.  With these new rules going on I figured I would have to ask him to talk to me or something.  LOL   John said he was glad I found a house and my job was working out ok.  I knew at that moment he had been reading my blog again.  There is no way he could know those details unless he was reading the blog.    I said my job is okay.  I like my job well enough but I miss my children and they NEED me.  I can have all the sitters in the world but my children need ME!

The house I am not sure about now.  The property management company listed the correct address of the house for rent BUT the directions to the house is wrong.  It is the west part of the street and about a mile from the east part of the street where the house for rent is located.  The directions were for the west side.  The description of the house (square footage, bedrooms, baths and everything else) is now in question.  I cannot see the house until the current tenants are out.  This is driving me NUTS!

The final part of the conversation surprised me a bit.  John had told James that he was coming here in the first part of November.  Now I am not sure if he is coming.  John was saying he had work stuff that he had to do that made taking the weekend off.  He is a school teacher so I don't understand what the problem is and then he says he has no money.  That at least I believe.  I have the same problem.  Just driving from Vegas to Phoenix it took a tank of gas for my van.  A full tank is about $135.  So to make the round trip it would cost me at least $260 in gas alone!  That does not include food or a place to stay.  I am not sure when John will be seeing the children.

Today I had a decent day at work.  I FINALLY got FULL access to the computer!  Now I can start my training and get started doing my work.  Yea!  The reading was tough!

Tonight, yet again, no call at 8:00pm.  Does he not understand how much James looks forward to that time.  How he waits for his call?  All John has to do is send money and make ONE FREAKING PHONE CALL A NIGHT!  How hard is that?  He just has to talk to James for about 10 minutes to make him happy.  Sigh! I will take care of everything else or Bailey will.  We have been kissing boo boos and trying to make James feel better (He has a bad allergy to something here.  A LOT of coughing lately!)

John,
Please just send the money and make your phone call.  Then you can run off and pay lip service to God and play with your new friends.  I know you think God has been giving you peace and everything.  You keep on thinking that.  I am pretty sure God would not be happy to see how you have neglected your children (even your wife).

Got to get to bed.  Four a.m. comes EARLY in the morning!  Night my dear readers!

Caroline's Carts Might Be Coming To Your Local Store IF YOU Speak Out!

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Have you heard of Caroline's Cart?  It is a WONDERFUL idea invented by a mother of a special needs child.  The cart is equipped with a seat in the basket meant for a child/small adult with special needs.  The cart has:

• Handles that swing back to provide access to the seat
• Five degree tilt for those with low muscle tone
• Seat faces caregiver for eye contact
• Platform under the seat for a comfortable footrest
• Abductor in the seat to help keep the child upright
• Harness to help secure the child
• Plenty of room in the cargo area of the cart for shopping

Currently Kroger's (Also known as Smith's, Fry's and MANY other names) is considering purchasing several Caroline's Carts and placing them in their stores.  I think this is a WONDERFUL idea but YOUR help is needed!  Please write to greg.goosman@kroger.com (and copy Caroline's Cart at info@carolinescart.com). Greg is the buyer and has been very interested in the Carts! He said he needs to hear from their customers that want the cart! So PLEASE email!!!

Things ARE Falling Into Place!!!

I am SO excited.  I finally got computer access at work.  Seriously, it was painful all the waiting this week! All I have been doing at work is reading material on HOW to do my job.  I am hoping to start next week to ACTUALLY get started learning my job.  I can't wait!

The housing situation...  I am ecstatic to report it looks like I have a hard lead on a house! It is in Gilbert near McQueen and Elliot.  The house is in a SUPER nice area and zoned for a nice school.  It is a place where the children and I can settle down and live comfortably for YEARS!  It has been SO long since I have had a house where I can stay for awhile.  The rent is affordable.  The house is spacious and has a nice backyard. The backyard is enclosed with a small covered patio area AND grass!  There are few homes in the Phoenix area I have seen that have grass.  Most have rock or dirt.  This one HAS grass!  The home is own by a property management company.  I had to fill out an application and sign it in blood (not really but it felt like I should have).  I had to ask my dad to put down money on this house and to co-sign for me since I do not have a recent work history.  So far it all looks good.  If I get this house I will be SO happy!

Babysitter/Nanny situation...  I am happy to report that Bailey may be moving in with me if I get this house.  I have also found a lady that can take the children for me too.  She runs a daycare in her home but she currently is not taking care of any children.  This is PERFECT for me.  For one thing the children are a handful all by themselves.  The second is that Joseph cannot be around a lot of other children since he could get sick.  Great situation.  This lady, Jennifer, is also older (my age and not 18), has raised children of her own and thinks taking my children would be FUN because it would be INTERESTING!  How AWESOME is that?  LOL   She says this now.  What until she meets them...lol.  Jennifer also lives close to the possible house making that situation even better!  Jennifer can drive and is willing to drive the children to their doctor and therapy appointments if I can keep them close by.  So my thought is that Bailey can live with me.  I can get up super early and go to work.  Bailey and the children can sleep.  Once they are up Baily can wash the children, get them dressed and make breakfast.  Once they are fed Bailey can call Jennifer and she would come and get them for the rest of the day until I can come and get them.  Not a bad idea I think!

So job situation is improving and the people I work with are very nice.  The housing situation, with a LOT of help from my parents, might be fixed soon.  The child care situation is working out with some possible back ups. With Bailey AND Jennifer taking my children I would hope it would keep them from getting burned out.  The kids can be rough on people.  Just drive you NUTS some days!

Things are falling into place.  I think Bailey and her Grandfather have adopted us and to be honest I like that.  Being out here and knowing NO ONE makes me worried.  If something happens to me what would happen to the children?  Or me?  It is nice to know someone would be able to check on me.   : )

Things Might Be Falling Into Place

Things seem to be starting to fall in place.  Bailey is handling the children well.  I got several calls during the day.  The children were not feeling well today so I talked to them a few times.  I was doing well at work but I am waiting to computer access still.  

I found a house in the Gilbert area.  It is a SUCH a nice house.  It is managed by a property company so they want to do a credit check.  I KNOW I would not qualify but I think my dad will help me.  Got to find a way to get the money for the deposit.  There is A LOT of hurdles to get through but pray I can make it work!  If I can this would be an AMAZING house for us!

Sorry for the SHORT post but I have to get up at 4:30am and it is all most eleven at night now.  I HAVE to get some sleep tonight!  I promise I will wrote a post on ALL I have been up to for the last few days!  It is good for the most part!  

What To Do If You Disagree With A Vaccination Waiver Form

1. The following conversation was taken off Facebook.  A mother of a vaccine injured child was struggling with signing the specific wording of the vaccination waiver.  You can read what happened. I only highlighted the responses of the author of the initial post.

   
   

   I'm really struggling being forced to sign a waiver agreeing to this - 

   "By signing this waiver, you acknowledge that you are placing your child and others at risk of serious illness should he or she contract a disease that could have been prevented through proper vaccination."
   
   NO. I do NOT believe this and I do not believe I should have to sign it.
   
   Question is this - does federal law require w
   

   e use their waiver? In the past, it didn't and I was able to use the MOMS form. I was also able to mark out that line when using their form. Now I'm being told new federal law says we can't alter their form in any way.
   
   Ok fine then. Can I still use the MOMS form? I did and turned it in a couple weeks ago, it was returned and was told I couldn't, but I'm not finding anything in regards to new law saying I have to use the govt form.
   
   Got another call today about it. I haven't found the answer yet myself so wondering if anyone knows off hand. Running around until late tonight and not sure if I'm just overlooking it or what, but man am I having a hard time finding the answer to this one. TIA

   
   

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   • Author of Post:  - any idea?

     Yesterday at 10:32am · Like
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     I thought waivers were State laws and not federal. I am interested in the answer to this one.

     Yesterday at 10:34am · Like · 4
   •  Can you cross out the part you don't agree to?

     Yesterday at 10:34am · Like · 1
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     Author: that's what I did in the past (and did this year again) but I'm being told new law says it can't be altered at all and I have to re-do it. After I sent in the MOMS form (which doesn't include that line) and they're saying they have to accept the govt form. Have been searching for days and haven't confirmed either way.

     Yesterday at 10:35am · Like
   • Author:  the laws are state but I think the forms are coming from federal.

     Yesterday at 10:37am · Like
   •  put the burden of proof on them. ask for the new laws, and say until you can show me, this will have to do.

     Yesterday at 10:37am · Like · 4
   • Author:  I messaged Mary  as well. She's from Michigan so she knows our laws. Frustrating part is we have ALL exemptions and up until this year have been one of the easiest states to get exemptions through. 
     
     I'm out and about but plan on emailing them requesting a copy of the law I'm being told about. Pulled up the emails, just haven't had a chance to email yet (too annoying to do from phone).

     Yesterday at 10:38am · Like
   •  The laws are state, but I'm not aware of any state that REQUIRES you to sign a particular waiver. I think there are some, though. Many doctors will try something like the above here in New York, but there is NO requirement for them to do so. The requirement is theirs and theirs alone. Call other docs and see what they do. I found a doc whose form says something like, "We have discussed these vaccines (and they are checked off) and have decided to forego at this time." That covers their butt and that's all they need to do. When faced with such a form, I alter it until it is in some kind of shape that I feel I CAN sign.

     Yesterday at 10:42am · Like
   • Author:  This is for school and of course she played the 'well i just want michael's file to be up to date and in compliance like all the other kids' yadda yadda yadda.. Different lady then who called the other day. Apparently she didn't like my response to her 'well you could just get the shots and be done with it'.

     Yesterday at 10:44am · Like
   •  Personally I wouldn't sign it. How can they force us to sign something stating we agree to something when we don't agree.

     Yesterday at 10:46am via mobile · Like · 5
   • School, huh? Definitely NOT federal. The school requirements are by state law. I would definitely try and track down the facts on this. I suspect you're getting a fake runaround.

     Yesterday at 10:46am · Like · 4
   •  DON'T sign it! It is a form of coercion and they WILL use it against you if they get a chance. Tell them you are researching it since you cannot sign something you do not agree with.

     Yesterday at 10:53am · Like · 1
   •  what on earth can they do to you if you refuse to sign the form?

     Yesterday at 11:08am · Like
   •  I would tell them they have to show me the law that says I have to sign that form. I would refuse to sign it.

     Yesterday at 11:14am · Unlike · 3
   • "Apparently she didn't like my response to her 'well you could just get the shots and be done with it'." My response to that would have been something like... "Lick my girlie parts!"

     Yesterday at 11:15am · Like · 3
   • Author:  I commented and it didn't post.
     
     I'm not signing anything without seeing this supposed law. If I don't find the info myself, I'm calling/emailing the health dept tonight when I get home for their 'proof'.

     Yesterday at 11:16am via mobile · Like · 3
   •  Right! Sure, no prob...let me just go ahead and inject all these chemicals in my 7 year old whos has two strokes and suffers from brain damage, epilepsy, mitochondrial disease, etc....just so we can make y'all shut up. No thank you.

     Yesterday at 11:18am via mobile · Unlike · 5
   •  I am so lucky that I have never had any trouble. I sign the form, check the box and that is that. Here in PA, and in LA and OK. No one ever said a thing. No one ever asked for more than the form... just a one sentence reason. And I always write, "I am claiming religious exemption in accordance with law xyz" Once the local school asked my brother to provide supporting documents (which is weird b/c it is NOT required and this is the same school district where I have never had any trouble). He ended up writing up a letter --but if he would have called me, my advice to him would have been to tell them to hold their breath while they wait for it 

     Yesterday at 11:31am · Edited · Like · 2
   • Author:  I never had to do more then that either.

     Yesterday at 11:41am via mobile · Like
   •  I just had to fill out one for Thomas more as a technicality. THIS WAS NOT ON OUR FORM! We are in MI, too. Was this for a public or private school?

     Yesterday at 11:59am · Like
   • Author:  Public.

     Yesterday at 12:00pm via mobile · Like
   •  I wouldn't sign the damn thing either. One option would be to cross out the part you disagree with and write in your own statement that you understand the risks of not vaccinating and that you also understand that if there is an outbreak that's confirmed by the county health department and at the state level, that your child will be excluded from school until the outbreak is over. I'd also cover your butt and state that in such a case, the absences from school will NOT be counted as truancy.

     Yesterday at 12:10pm · Unlike · 3
   •  You don't have to sign it. Nor should you. You can cross out the parts you don't agree with and put "I don't agree" or you can refuse to sign it entirely.

     Yesterday at 12:31pm · Like
   • Author:   ^^^ that's what I did and was told new law states it can't be altered at all.

     Yesterday at 12:32pm via mobile · Like
   • I like the part about crossing out the clause you disagree with. Instead, you can add, "Any school officials who have direct contact with my child are welcome to pay any and all medical/therapy/new service bills related to future vaccinations of said child."

     Yesterday at 12:56pm · Edited · Like
   • I revise my former statement. It is on both the 2011 and newer 2012 forms. It is not a box to check off.

     Yesterday at 12:55pm · Like
   • Author: I submitted my own also (the moms version) and was told i had to use the one they have.

     Yesterday at 12:56pm via mobile · Like
   • Do you have any documentation of your kiddos being allergic to egg or gelatin? This is the case for Thomas.

     Yesterday at 12:57pm · Like
   • Author:  I have a few more places to look for these changes but otherwise (since i don't expect to find them) I'm just gonna wait for them to show me this 'law'.

     Yesterday at 12:57pm via mobile · Like
   •  Want the URLs PM'd to you?

     Yesterday at 12:58pm · Like
   • There's a Mom in Tx last week here with form probs that are state sanctioned. I personally would not sign it.

     Yesterday at 1:05pm via mobile · Like
   •  I got a waiver from my daughter school today and it does state that sentence on it as well in bold black letters. Hmmm

     Yesterday at 1:19pm via mobile · Like
   •  i blacked out all the things I don't agree with and then signed. most of it was blacked out.

     Yesterday at 1:36pm · Like
   •  I think you should cross it out and write what YOU feel should go in there...that is BS and if you believed it, you'd be vaccinating.

     Yesterday at 1:54pm · Like
   • Author:  Like I said...blacking out the line wasn't accepted. There's plenty I'd love to put there. Lol

     Yesterday at 1:57pm via mobile · Like · 1
   •  I would Put a tiny star with my initials on the offending lines
     Sign the bottom
     Below my signature put the same reference star and write: per the recommendation of legal counsel I have noted the parts of this document for which I do not offer my ascent but have signed to comply with state laws to secure my right to waive listed vaccinations

     Yesterday at 2:18pm via mobile · Like · 1
   •  Would love to know what you find!

     Yesterday at 3:41pm via mobile · Like
   • They changed the laws here last year in 2011 (which I fought against) and took away our phil exemption unless we had a doc sign off on it stating that we had been edumacated (yes that was intentional) about vaccination and the choice we were making for our children to not vaccinate. The night before our stupid Governor signed it in to law (over the  SUMMER) I filled out a new one for each of my kids including my youngest who did not start kinder until this fall and emailed them to a whole bunch of people. I got a call last winter from the school nurse telling me my oldest was due for vaccines and I had to get them. I told her, ummmm, no he doesn't, I submitted new exemptions for all my kids including one who hasn't started school yet. I sent them on to her and not another word was said, except making friends with her. Turns out she uses homeopathy for her families healthcare, and minimally vaccinates her own kids. HA! Not a word was said when I submitted the exemption I filled out for Samantha in the summer of 2011, and I know nothing will be said. I would say the biggest thing is to not be adversarial (sp? lazy right now) and to write something up demonstrating that you are educated when it comes to vaccination. Provide detailed info. Pain in the rear for sure, but if you can come out of it with a friendly, you might not have to ever worry about it again. I know that's the case for my kids because of how I handled the situation. Find an old form if you have to go that route. Get on the state website and use the most recent one they have available. They can not argue with that. Period. The one I submitted was the most recent at the time and it was from 2008. They had multiple one's floating around when I registered Sam this fall, and no one batted an eyelash at what I submitted. I had the date stamp on it from emailing it. The other thing to point out to them for consideration, of course in a "friendly" manner, is that the CDC schedule, is recommended, NOT MANDATED, and also look at the Bill of Rights along with the Constitution and find any conflicts. Federal trumps state, and I know this from being a military spouse and fighting for legislation for ABA coverage for all the years that I have. Sorry to ramble, but I just felt like this was some good info to pass along, as others in this thread might be able to use some of it. Sorry for potty mouth on your thread, but that's who I am LOL! Long line of service (I'm a DAR) and I have a Sailor's mouth, along with that of a truck driver LMFAO! You've got my # somewhere if you want to call. xx oo and praying for good results.

     Yesterday at 3:44pm · Unlike · 3
   •  Thanks for the I information!

     Yesterday at 3:52pm via mobile · Like
   •  I would definitely make them show you the specific words in the legal code where it's required for you to agree to that crap. I have always submitted my own form too, quoting our specific state code word for word. A public school cannot require you to do anything more than the law requires.

     Yesterday at 4:27pm · Like
   • Author:  absolutely. I have a good relationship with everyone in the schools/community and def need to keep it like that. I just sent an email to 9 people at the health dept to ask for more information and a link on where I can read about this 'law' and what-not so will see what they say. 
     
     I'll let you guys know what they say. I sent to so many in hopes I'd get a response asap (tomorrow hopefully).

     Yesterday at 5:33pm · Unlike · 1
   • Author:  The response I got!
     
     Dear XXXXX,
     
     I have been asked to respond to your question about exemption forms.
     
     Michigan’s PUBLIC HEALTH CODE discusses the local health department’s authority concerning immunization requirements. 
     
     These references can be found at:
     
     -A local health department has authority to adopt regulations to require a parent to use a specific immunization exemption form in order to claim an exemption from vaccination requirements under section 9215(2) of the Public Health Code, MCL 333.9215(2).
     
     -The broad authority conferred on local health departments to prevent disease and promote the public health includes the power to require a parent to provide a statement explaining the nature of the "other objection" to immunization claimed by the parent under section 9215(2) of the Public Health Code, MCL 333.9215(2).
     
     -A local health department may promulgate a regulation requiring its approval to confirm that an immunization exemption has been properly claimed under section 9215(2) of the Public Health Code, MCL 333.9215(2).
     
     -Local health departments may also adopt regulations to properly safeguard the public health and to prevent the spread of diseases, MCL 333.2435(d), and are specifically empowered to "adopt regulations necessary or appropriate to implement or carry out the duties or functions vested by law in the local health department." MCL 333.2441(1).
     
     In 2007, there was a written opinion of Michigan’s Attorney General that stated,
     
     “These clear statements of legislative intent and case law support the conclusion that local health departments may adopt a regulation requiring the use of a specific form to claim an exemption from immunization requirements. Developing a uniform format for claiming an exemption and establishing procedures for assuring compliance with statutory requirements represent a "necessary or appropriate" means for assuring that a health department is positioned to fulfill its educational and monitoring responsibilities. “
     
     “It is my opinion, therefore, that a local health department has authority to adopt regulations to require a parent to use a specific immunization exemption form in order to claim an exemption from vaccination requirements under section 9215(2) of the Public Health Code, MCL 333.9215(2).”
     
     If you are interested in learning more about immunizations and the diseases that they prevent, I would be happy to discuss the scientific facts that support this statement "By signing this waiver, you acknowledge that you are placing your child and others at risk of serious illness should he or she contract a disease that could have been prevented through proper vaccination."
     
     Please let me know if you are interested in learning more about immunizations.
     
     Pat

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   •  Wow! Are you going to respond?

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   • Author:   That's what I'm currently debating. I have a headache so going to mull over it a bit.

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   • If I were you, I'd ask this Pat person to show you all the vaccine inserts for the particular vaccinations they want your kid to get, and ask where the safety and efficacy is proven for each of them, and especially when they're given in combination with other vaccines. As JB said, SHOW ME THE STUDIES!!! There are none. If this Pat person is with the local health department and not the school that is definitely what I would do. And I wouldn't bat an eyelash. Auto-pilot response - that's how I roll. What a load of shit. And if they can't prove to you with the inserts how safe and effective the vaccinations are, then that's when you say, this is why I'm opting out and it's my right to do so.

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   • Author:  This Pat lady is with the health dept. That's what I was contemplating though...asking for study's proving things (that I know aren't done). Right now I've just responded, asking for my county's specific law/guidelines in regards to it all as what she gave me is all state law stating locals can do what they want. Well, show me where local's have it written.

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   •  Good job. If she shows you anything, anything at all, then ask her what I suggested. Under the health department at the state level, I do not think they would be able to require you (meaning county) to do anything other than state level. They could ban your kids from school for that period if there was an outbreak, but that would be about it. I'd also pose the simple question that if vaccines are so effective and I don't vaccinate my kids and if there is an outbreak am more than willing to have them home with me, what are you so worried about? God, this shit gets my blood pressure up just thinking about how much we've suffered as a result of vaccines. GRRRRRRRR.

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   •  Oh I would so have my own attachment to add ... by signing this waiver I am acknowledging that YOU think that I am placing my child and other children at risk, but considering all the outbreaks of contagious diseases have been amongst Vaccinated children ... I feel they are placing MY child at harm because vaccines cause non-repairable harm to their immune systems, thus making them more susceptible to communicable diseases apparently. Please inform me when they are getting their shots so that we can help to inform our children and keep them far away from these children who may be offshedding diseases that my child would not otherwise be exposed to. Thanks ...

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   • Author:  I talked to the school again (I don't believe a nurse, assuming secretary). She said she has paperwork from the health dept about it all and that I'm allowed to staple my own letter. 
     
     I just emailed the local health dept as well to ask for the local law/guidelines on exemptions. Cuz I'm sure not finding it on the website.

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   • Author:  It should not be this difficult. All I'm asking for is a link to the information they're telling me is law. WHY is that such a hassle? *smh*

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   • Author:  Response from the local health dept was that I'd be receiving something from the state health dept soon. Apparently they don't know either.ha

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   • Author:  Her response - 
     
     This is not a local law, we have the authority under state law. None of which is on our website, we will be contacting you regarding our internal policies shortly.
     
     - Am i missing something...Why is this so difficult? Yet I'm expected to be at the school before 3pm today to sign something I don't agree with. *smh*

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   • Author:   Such an unnecessary headache.

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   • Can you include a statement that says you disagree with it, have researched it, but are signing it under duress? BTW, our state made it a lot more difficult this yr. Wonder where the pressure is coming from.

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   • Author:  Yep. That's what I'm about to type up now. Any ideas on what to say?

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   • I would add a statement from the Dr that stated "one more vaccine, he would have died" UGH this is crap they are doing to our already sick kids.

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   • By vaccinating my child I would be putting his life and health at risk. Any potential benefit to a vaccine is outweighed by the known risks and potential risks to my son and it is unwise for him to be considered for vaccination. This in no way puts others at harm, but rather fulfills my duty to make sure the potential benefits are not outweighed by the potential risks. My duty is to my child and his health. It is in no one's best interest to jeopardize his health. I am signing this under duress and do not agree with the statement provided.

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   • Author:  Ok this is what I have - anything missing/too much? I have to leave so kinda rushing. lol 
     
     To Whom It May Concern, 
     
     I am writing because of an issue I have in regards to exemption of vaccinations for my son. I’ve been informed by his school, that per the health dept, I must sign the vaccine exemption form given to me by them. In the past I signed it, but marked out the line I disagreed with. I’ve been told that new law states I must sign it as is, without altering it. After several years, and thousands of hours of research into vaccination and my child’s health, I do not believe or agree with this statement:
     
     "By signing this waiver, you acknowledge that you are placing your child and others at risk of serious illness should he or she contract a disease that could have been prevented through proper vaccination."
     
     This statement assumes that I acknowledge something that I don’t believe to be true. I believe this to be putting unjust liability on my shoulders. 
     
     I disagree with the statement but am signing it under duress, 
     
     XXXXXXXXXX

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   • Author:  I added to the form itself in the reason section;
     
     After several years and thousands of hours of research into vaccines and the diseases they are meant to prevent, I do not believe the benefits outweigh the risks for my son.

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